Traditional values

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“”He knew about concerned citizens. Wherever they were, they all spoke the same private language, where "traditional values" meant "hang someone."

—Terry Pratchett, The Truth

In general, if someone's main argument in favor of their propositions/ideas is "traditional values", this means there actually isn't any other rational argument worthy of attention. For example, "caring about children" is a very, very old traditional value, yet people speaking up against child abuse usually don't resort to this rhetoric, instead choosing more practical and immediate arguments. A return to traditional values is an oft-spoken desire of conservatives. It's part of fundamentalist psychology.

Traditional values include, but are not limited to, the many ideals listed here.

## Commonly spoken of[edit]

* Prayer in schools
* (Young Earth) Creationism as science in schools
* Abstinence only education in schools
* Outlawing abortion
* Outlawing homosexual acts
* Outlawing sex outside marriage
* Encouraging women to be skivvies
* Reinforcing the Madonna-whore complex, purity culture, and rape culture
* Eliminating religious tolerance
* Enforcing strict social conformity

## Not so commonly spoken of[edit]

Probably because those who trumpet "traditional values" the loudest do not actually adhere to them.

* Honor (preferably without a warped and abusive interpretation of the word)
* Integrity
* Charity
* Modesty
* Work ethic (only when it does not involve whoever is speaking of it)
* Family values (the real kind, not their redefined sort)

## Skeletons in the closet[edit]

* Slavery
* Anti-Semitism
* Feudalism
* Women as chattel property
* Infanticide, especially of females[note 1]
* Endemic ~~pedophilia~~ child abuse
* Poor sanitation
* Entrenched racism
* Life expectancy not exceeding ~~70~~ ~~30~~ 50 years
* Marriageable age of ~~9~~ ~~7~~ 12
* Lynch mob for heretics and minority groups
* Capital punishment for heretics[note 2]
* ~~Corporal~~ Capital punishment for sexual deviancy[note 3]
* Capital punishment for, well, everything. "It's hanging for a sheep, or murder in the first degree."
* 80 hour work week
* No ~~paid~~ holidays
* Safety at work regulated by the ~~free market[note 4]~~ natural selection[note 5]
* Health care provided by the ~~free market~~ natural selection[note 6]
* Famine
* Plagues
* Banditry
* ~~Interdiction~~ Prohibition of divorce
* Literacy rates not exceeding ~~50~~ ~~10~~ 1 percent
* Censorship of science
* Human sacrifice
* Honour killings
* ~~Security~~ ~~Love~~ ~~Happiness~~ Any positive emotion considered a privilege of the elite
* Murders of raped women

## Morris Dancing[edit]

On the other hand, Morris Dancing is also a traditional value, and nothing's better than dressing up silly, getting drunk, and dancing in public, to say nothing of the redeeming social value of learning to deal with the symbolism of grown men shaking their jingly bells and swatting their big, thick, knotty sticks together in a mature, responsible fashion.

## Graphic arts[edit]

Graphic artists formerly recognised three traditional values: dark, light, and mid-tone. Societies where graven images are frowned upon generally make do with line and colour, rather than skate too close to realistic rendering with all those shades of grey. Noted home scholar Ansel Adams, being dissatisfied with just three zones of value, used some larger prime number, perhaps nine.

## See also[edit]

* Actions which demand the death penalty in the Old Testament
* Chivalry
* Daily Mail
* Family values
* Good old days
* Hindutva
* Homophobia
* Religious freedom
* Slavery in the Bible
* The Traditional Values Coalition

## Notes[edit]

1. ↑ This does not include any time before "pre-uterine expulsion".
2. ↑ Where 'heretic' is defined in the broader sense as "people who don't play nice with their local church leader", or in the narrower sense, "Anyone the local church leader doesn't like."
3. ↑ Where 'sexual deviancy' is defined as "Anything remotely sexual that isn't a married man and his ~~chattel~~ ~~woman~~ women trying to make one or more babies in the missionary position."
4. ↑ The argument being that rational free men will be less willing to work for employers who have a bad safety record, thus solving all related problems.
5. ↑ Though, that doesn't mean recognition of evolution, generally.
6. ↑ Again, that doesn't mean recognition of evolution, generally

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