McDonald and Giles

1970 studio album by McDonald and Giles

McDonald and Giles

Studio album by

McDonald and Giles

Released| November 1970 (1970-11)[1]
Recorded| May–July 1970
Studio| Island Studios, London
Genre| Progressive rock
Length| 46:04
45:23 (2002 reissue)
Label|

* Island (UK & Europe)
* Cotillion (US & Canada)
* Atlantic (Australia, New Zealand, Japan & South America)
* Polydor (1977 UK reissue)
* Virgin (2002 CD reissue)

Producer| Ian McDonald, Michael Giles
Ian McDonald chronology
|  | McDonald and Giles
(1970)  | Drivers Eyes
(1999)

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Michael Giles chronology
|  | McDonald and Giles
(1970)  | Progress
(2002)

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McDonald and Giles is an album released by British musicians Ian McDonald and Michael Giles in 1970. The album was first issued on Island Records (ILPS 9126) in the UK and Cotillion Records (SD 9042), a division of Atlantic Records, in the US. (The album was released on Atlantic itself in several countries.) The album was recorded at Island Studios between May and July 1970. Although McDonald and Giles remains popular among King Crimson fans,[2] its commercial success was limited. The duo did not record a second album, but Giles did contribute drums and vocals to "Demimonde" on McDonald's solo album Drivers Eyes.

## Background and recording

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Full outer gatefold of original international LP pressing; from left to right: Charlotte Bates (McDonald's girlfriend), Ian McDonald, Michael Giles and Mary Land (Giles' wife)[3]

Ian McDonald and Michael Giles were members of the original King Crimson line-up, and were featured performers on the band's debut album, In the Court of the Crimson King (1969). Both left the group at the end of its first United States tour in early 1970,[4] although Giles agreed to play on the second King Crimson album, In the Wake of Poseidon (1970).[5][6] Two other King Crimson members also worked on McDonald and Giles: Peter Giles and Peter Sinfield.[7]

The music on McDonald and Giles emulates many of the pastoral and musically complex elements of King Crimson, while generally avoiding that band's darker tendencies.[4][8] The song "Flight of the Ibis" has a melody and rhythm similar to King Crimson's "Cadence and Cascade," with different lyrics.[3] The album contains a guest appearance by Steve Winwood, playing organ and piano on "Turnham Green". Winwood's group Traffic were working on John Barleycorn Must Die at Island Studios at the same time.[9]

Michael Giles' drum solo in "Tomorrow's People – The Children of Today" has been sampled by a number of rap and hip-hop artists, most notably the Beastie Boys, on the track "Body Movin'", from the album Hello Nasty.[3]

The first CD edition was released in Japan in the early 1990s. It came in both jewel box and paper sleeve versions. This version was the same as the original vinyl but was mastered from a tape copy several generations removed from the original master. In 2002 the group members authorised a revised version of the CD with improved sound. The revised version can be recognised by the use of green lettering on the cover instead of pink. A phrase near the beginning of "Suite in C" has slightly different lyrics. Some of the tracks of the 2002 edition have very minor editing. There are a few slightly different segues in the song "Birdman" and the sections of this song are marked as separate tracks on the CD.[10]

## Reception

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Professional ratingsReview scores

Source| Rating
AllMusic| [7]
Hi-Fi News & Record Review| 50 : A[11]

Fred Dellard gave the record a perfect score of "50 : A" in Hi-Fi News & Record Review, indicating a "top class recording" "of special merit". He wrote that Giles and McDonald "take the best of King Crimson and turn it into a highly personal series of sketches that stun with their pure majesty. If Debussy had been working within the confines of modern pop music perhaps he would have produced something like this."[11] A reviewer in Cash Box called the two sides of the record "gentle complex music that moves from one important statement to another with free-wheeling grace", comparing it to the albums of Mountain, Elton John and Emerson, Lake & Palmer in that Giles and McDonald "create their own musical world that is the mark of rock in its highest and purest form".[12]

Record World was less enthusiastic, writing that the duo "specialize in a kind of pretty-rock that, at its best, is reminiscent of Beatles–Bee Gees ballads, and, at its worst, is reminiscent of Muzak".[13]: 16 A review in The Guardian Journal opined that "one can't help wishing [Giles and McDonald] would employ a little more discipline and a little less self-indulgence in their work" despite the duo's "undeniable musical accomplishments". In particular the reviewer thought that, with "Birdman", "moods are created and then snatched away just as they begin to develop, and the effect is often patchy". The reviewer singled out "Turnham Green" and "Flight of the Ibis" as the album's best tracks.[14] Writing retrospectively in AllMusic, Steven McDonald wrote that the main draw of the record "is really the performances turned in by McDonald and the Giles brothers—they all sound fabulous, even when waffling musically, while Michael Giles has a unique drum tone that never has been duplicated".[7]

## Track listing

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Side ANo.| Title| Writer(s)| Length

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1.| "Suite in C" (including "Turnham Green", "Here I Am" and others)| Ian McDonald| 11:21
2.| "Flight of the Ibis"| McDonald, B. P. Fallon| 3:18
3.| "Is She Waiting?"| McDonald| 2:40
4.| "Tomorrow's People – The Children of Today"| Michael Giles| 7:00

Side BNo.| Title| Writer(s)| Length

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1.| "Birdman", involving:

1. "The Inventor's Dream (O.U.A.T.)"
2. "The Workshop"
3. "Wishbone Ascension"
4. "Birdman Flies!"
5. "Wings in the Sunset"
6. "Birdman – The Reflection"

| McDonald, Peter Sinfield| 21:45

From the liner notes:[15]

* "Suite in C" was written by Ian McDonald in Detroit, Los Angeles and Earl's Court between December 1969 and February 1970.
* "Is She Waiting?" was written in Earls Court in the summer of 1969, between King Crimson gigs.
* "Birdman" was mostly written in the spring of 1968, apart from the Flying bit which was done in 1970. Original idea by Peter Sinfield. "Wishbone Ascension" was performed live by King Crimson in 1969 as a part of the once performed live prog epic "Trees", which also included Fripp's penned "Pictures of a City." The transition to the bridge part appear in both "Wishbone Ascension" and "Pictures of a City"
* "Tomorrow's People" was written by Michael Giles in 1967, and expanded and arranged in 1970. The song was dedicated to Tina and Mandy, his children.
* The lyrics for "Birdman" begin "Long ago / In Walthamstow". Walthamstow Marshes was the location of Alliott Verdon Roe's attempts to build and fly his early aeroplanes. (A. V. Roe was the first British aviator and founder of Avro Aircraft Company).
* The parenthetical acronym in the title of "The Inventor's Dream (O.U.A.T.)" stands for "Once Upon a Time".
* "Flight of the Ibis" shares similarities to "Cadence & Cascade" on "In The Wake of Poseidon" in melody and, indeed, "Ibis" had the "Cadence & Cascade" lyric at one point. When McDonald left the band he took his music with him, while Sinfield retained the lyric. Fripp composed a song that used the lyric and had some similarities to "Ibis" in terms of structure, melody and chord progression to provide enough material for the second King Crimson album.[16]

## Personnel

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### Musicians

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* Ian McDonald – guitar, piano, organ, saxes, flute, clarinet, zither, vocals and sundries
* Michael Giles – drums, percussion (including milk bottle, handsaw, lip whistle and nutbox), vocals
* Peter Giles – bass guitar
* Steve Winwood – organ, and piano solo on "Turnham Green"
* Michael Blakesley – trombone on "Tomorrow's People"

### Technical

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* Ian McDonald and Michael Giles – producers & arrangers
* Brian Humphries – engineer
* Richard Digby Smith – assistant engineer
* Mike Gray – strings and brass arrangements on "Birdman" and "Suite in C"
* Richard DiLello – photography
* Charlotte Bates – painting

## References

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1. ^ Williams, Richard (21 November 1970). "Outside the Court of the Crimson King". Melody Maker. Archived from the original on 4 November 2022.
2. ^ Mullin, Connor (21 March 2015). "McDonald and Giles: A Hidden Gem". Progarchy. Retrieved 31 March 2021.
3. ^ a b c Tomsett, Pete (2021). Fifty Shades of Crimson: Robert Fripp and King Crimson. Backbeat. p. 63\. ISBN 9781493051038 - via Google Books.
4. ^ a b Luhrssen, David; Michael Larson (2017). Encyclopedia of Classic Rock. ABC-CLIO. p. 193\. ISBN 9781440835148 - via Google Books.
5. ^ Buckley, Peter, ed. (2003). The Rough Guide to Rock (3rd ed.). Rough Guides. p. 557\. ISBN 9781858284576 - via Google Books.
6. ^ Helander, Brock (2001). The Rockin' 60s: The People Who Made the Music. Music Sales. p. 422\. ISBN 9780857128119.
7. ^ a b c McDonald, Steven (n.d.). "McDonald and Giles Review". AllMusic. Archived from the original on 19 March 2015.
8. ^ Macan, Edward (2006). Endless Enigma: A Musical Biography of Emerson, Lake and Palmer. Open Court. p. 75\. ISBN 9780812695960 - via Google Books.
9. ^ Ladaga, Eloy Pérez (2017). Rock Progresivo: Historia, cultura, artistas y álbumes fundamentales [Progressive Rock: History, Culture, Artists and Fundamental Albums] (in Spanish). Ma Non Troppo. p. 151\. ISBN 9788499175157 - via Google Books.
10. ^ Cowen, Andrew (17 August 2002). "CD Reviews". Birmingham Post. Birmingham Post and Mail Ltd: 52 - via ProQuest.
11. ^ a b Dellard, Fred (January 1971). "Current Pop: McDonald and Giles". Hi-Fi News & Record Review. 16 (1): 129 - via Google Books.
12. ^ Staff writer (30 January 1971). "Newcomer Picks" (PDF). Cash Box. XXXII (32). The Cash Box Publishing Company: 34 - via World Radio History.
13. ^ Staff writer (30 January 1971). "Album Product" (PDF). Record World. 25 (1234). Record World Publishing: 16, 18 - via World Radio History.
14. ^ Staff writer (28 November 1970). "Cat is an artist with plenty to say". The Guardian Journal: 5 - via Newspapers.com.
15. ^ McDonald and Giles (liner notes). McDonald and Giles. United Kingdom: Virgin Records. 2002.`{{cite AV media notes}}`: CS1 maint: others in cite AV media (notes) (link)
16. ^ Kobi, Hayim (13 June 2017). "In the Wake of Poseidon, by King Crimson". The Music Aficionado. Archived from the original on 5 September 2017.

## External links

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* McDonald and Giles at Discogs (list of releases)

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King Crimson

* Robert Fripp
* Mel Collins
* Tony Levin
* Pat Mastelotto
* Gavin Harrison
* Jakko Jakszyk
* Jeremy Stacey

* Peter Sinfield
* Michael Giles
* Greg Lake
* Ian McDonald
* Peter Giles
* Gordon Haskell
* Andy McCulloch
* Boz Burrell
* Ian Wallace
* Bill Bruford
* John Wetton
* David Cross
* Jamie Muir
* Adrian Belew
* Trey Gunn
* Bill Rieflin

Studio albums|

* In the Court of the Crimson King
* In the Wake of Poseidon
* Lizard
* Islands
* Larks' Tongues in Aspic
* Starless and Bible Black
* Red
* Discipline
* Beat
* Three of a Perfect Pair
* Thrak
* The Construkction of Light
* The Power to Believe

ProjeKcts albums|

* Space Groove
* Heaven and Earth
* A Scarcity of Miracles

Extended plays|

* Vrooom
* Happy with What You Have to Be Happy With

Live albums|

| Standard release|

* Earthbound
* USA
* The Great Deceiver
* B'Boom: Live in Argentina
* Thrakattak
* Epitaph
* The Night Watch
* Absent Lovers: Live in Montreal
* Live in Mexico City
* The ProjeKcts
* Live at the Jazz Café
* Heavy ConstruKction
* Vrooom Vrooom
* Ladies of the Road
* EleKtrik: Live in Japan
* Live at the Orpheum
* Live in Toronto
* Radical Action to Unseat the Hold of Monkey Mind
* Live in Chicago
* Live in Vienna
* Meltdown: Live in Mexico City
* Music Is Our Friend: Live in Washington and Albany

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Collector's Club|

* Live at the Marquee
* Live at Jacksonville
* The Beat Club, Bremen
* Live at Cap D'Agde
* On Broadway
* Live in San Francisco: The Roar of P4
* The Vrooom Sessions
* Live at Summit Studios
* Live in Central Park, NYC
* Live at Moles Club, Bath
* Live in Hyde Park
* Nashville Rehearsals
* Live at Plymouth Guildhall
* Live in Mainz
* Live in Berkeley, CA
* Live in Detroit, MI
* Live in Nashville, TN
* Live at the Zoom Club
* Jazz Café Suite
* Rehearsals & Blows

Compilations|

* A Young Person's Guide to King Crimson
* The Compact King Crimson
* Heartbeat: The Abbreviated King Crimson
* Frame by Frame: The Essential King Crimson
* Sleepless: The Concise King Crimson
* Cirkus: The Young Persons' Guide to King Crimson Live
* The Deception of the Thrush: A Beginners' Guide to ProjeKcts
* A Beginners' Guide to the King Crimson Collectors' Club
* The Power to Believe Tour Box
* The 21st Century Guide to King Crimson Volume One: 1969–1974
* The 21st Century Guide to King Crimson Volume Two: 1981–2003
* The Condensed 21st Century Guide to King Crimson: 1969–2003
* The Elements of King Crimson

Major Box Sets|

* In the Court of the Crimson King
* Larks' Tongues in Aspic
* The Road to Red
* Starless
* THRAK
* On (and off) The Road
* Sailors' Tales
* Heaven & Earth
* The Complete 1969 Recordings

Singles|

* "The Court of the Crimson King"
* "Epitaph" / "21st Century Schizoid Man"
* "Matte Kudasai"
* "Thela Hun Ginjeet"
* "Heartbeat"
* "Sleepless"

Other songs|

* "I Talk to the Wind"
* "Moonchild"
* "Islands"
* "Larks' Tongues in Aspic"
* "Fallen Angel"
* "Starless"

Videos|

* Déjà Vrooom
* Neal and Jack and Me
* Eyes Wide Open

Related|

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* Discography
* Members
* Discipline Global Mobile
* In the Court of the Crimson King: King Crimson at 50

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* Giles, Giles and Fripp
* Yes
* McDonald and Giles
* Emerson, Lake & Palmer
* U.K.
* Bruford Levin Upper Extremities
* Tuner
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* Stick Men
* TU
* 21st Century Schizoid Band
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