Munich derby

Football matches between FC Bayern Munich and TSV 1860 Munich

Munich derby

DFB-Pokal Quarter-Final 2008 Bayern against 1860 in Allianz Arena

1860 Munich

FC Bayern

Other names| Münchner Stadtderby
Münchner Lokalderby
Location| Munich, Germany
Teams| Bayern & 1860;
Bayern II & 1860 II
First meeting| Bayern 3–0 1860[1]
(21 September 1902; 122 years ago (1902-09-21))
Latest meeting| Bayern 1–0 1860
(27 February 2008; 17 years ago (2008-02-27))
Next meeting| TBD
Stadiums| Grünwalder Stadion
Olympiastadion
Allianz Arena
Statistics
Meetings total| 205
Most wins| Bayern (105)
All-time series| Bayern: 105
Drawn: 50
1860: 50
Largest victory| 1860 8–0 Bayern[2]
(22 December 1918; 106 years ago (1918-12-22))

The Munich derby (German: Münchner Stadtderby) is the name given to football matches between Bayern Munich and 1860 Munich, both of them from Munich, Germany.[3][4]

## History

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### Early years (1902–1933)

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Although the TSV has existed since 1860, a football section was founded in 1899. In contrast, Bayern was founded by members of a Munich gymnastics club. The first ever Munich derby was contested in September 1902. In the first years, Bayern mainly won the derbies. However, since football in Germany was organised on a very regional level in this time, the rivalry was not very pronounced since both team played against many other Munich-based teams such as FC Wacker München or 1\. Münchner FC 1896. At the end of this period, both clubs became more and more successful: 1860 entered the final of the German football championship in 1931 (but lost against Hertha BSC) and Bayern won against Eintracht Frankfurt one year later. In 1933, 1860 reached the final of the Southern German championship.

### The Nazi period (1933–1945)

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With beginning of the Nazi era in Germany, both clubs were put in the newly founded Gauliga Bayern. In this period, Bayern suffered because many Jewish members, such as Kurt Landauer were forced to leave the club. In contrast, 1860 was less affected by the enforcement of the Aryan paragraph. Particularly during the war time, 1860 became successful: They won their first national trophy the Tschammerpokal (today known as the German Cup) in 1942. 1860 returned to the national playoffs in 1943, reaching the quarter-finals.

### Increasing rivalry (1945–1963)

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After the end of the second World War, football quickly became popular again in the population. Already in 1945, the American allied administration allowed the foundation of the Oberliga Süd. As this league, in contrast to the previous Gauliga Bayern, also included teams from Hesse and Baden-Württemberg, Bayern and 1860 became the only two clubs from Munich which resulted in an increased rivalry. Other Munich-based teams declined in importance. In this period, both teams could hardly point to successes with the exception of Bayern's victory in the 1957 German Cup.

### Struggle for domination (1963–1970)

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The regulations by the German football federation for the inaugural Bundesliga season stipulated that only one team from one city should be promoted. Due to opaque rules, Bayern instead of 1860 was forced to play in the second tier. 1860 won the German Cup in this season, followed by a successful European campaign leading to European Cup Winners' Cup final which was lost to West Ham United. In Bayern's season of promotion Munich became the football capital of Germany: 1860 clinched their first Bundesliga title whereas Bayern won the German Cup final. After that, the conditions began to turn: While 1860 gained the second place in the Bundesliga, Bayern defended the German Cup and won the European Cup Winners' Cup in Nuremberg. In 1969, Bayern captured their first German double whereas 1860 slipped to the 10th position. One year later, 1860 relegated from the Bundesliga.

### Bayern's golden years, 1860s decline (1970–1994)

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With 1860's relegation, the relative strengths now completely turned to Bayern. After moving from Grünwalder Stadion to the much larger Olympiastadion, Bayern's golden years began. Three German championships (1972–1974) followed by three victorious European campaigns (1974–1976) marked the most successful period in Bayern's history. While Bayern became established in the Bundesliga, 1860 became a yo-yo club. Until 1999, the last derby won by 1860 was in 1977. Even in the frequently played friendlies, Bayern mostly kept the upper hand.

### Bundesliga return of 1860 (1994–2004)

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After 13 years mainly spent in the Bayernliga, 1860 promoted again to the top flight in 1994. In the previous season, Bayern clinched their 13th Bundesliga title. In 1999, 1860 won their first derby since 22 years. After also the return match was won, Bayern regained its leadership role again with some very high wins (5–1 in 2001 and 5–0 in 2003). Due to the successful application of the German football federation for the 2006 FIFA World Cup in June 2000, both club's forced the idea of ground-share in a new stadium.

### Ground-sharing in the Allianz Arena (2005–2017)

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Inside Allianz Arena during a match between the two on 10 June 2005

One year before the clubs moved to the Allianz Arena, 1860 relegated to the 2\. Fußball-Bundesliga again. Since then, in addition to three friendly matches, only one competitive game was held. Just one day before the match was held, unknown Bayern fans painted parts of the Grünwalder Stadion, 1860 traditional home stadium, in the club colors of Bayern, red and white.

Munich 1860 were relegated to 3\. Liga at the conclusion of the 2016-17 season.[5]

### 1860's Return to Grünwalder Stadion (2017–)

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On 2 June 2017, it was announced that 1860 were unable to obtain a 3. Liga license for the 2017–18 season as a result of investor Hassan Ismaik's unwillingness to pay the necessary fees. As a result, the club was relegated to the Regionalliga Bayern for the 2017–18 season.[6] Following these events, which meant that Bayern Munich would be ground sharing with the now amateur status 1860, on 12 July 2017 Bayern Munich announced that the ground sharing arrangement with 1860 had come to an end.[7] Shortly thereafter, Munich 1860 announced that the club would return to its traditional grounds at Stadion an der Grünwalder Straße for the 2017–18 season. Following relegation to the Regionalliga, 1860 will play matches with FC Bayern Munich II.[8]

## All-time results

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Bayern Munich Win 1860 Munich Win Draw

No.  | Home  | Date  | Venue  | Score  | Competition  | Attendance

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1  |  | 21 September 1902  | Sportplatz Clemensstraße | 3–0 | Münchner Stadtmeisterschaft  |
2  |  | 1 November 1903  | Schyrenwiese  | 2–0 | Friendly  |
3  |  | 12 November 1905  |  | 1–0 | Münchner Stadtmeisterschaft  |
123  |  | 28 September 1952  | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–1 | Oberliga Süd | 12,000
124  |  | 8 February 1953  | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–2 | Oberliga Süd | 17,000
125  |  | 18 April 1954  | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–2 | Friendly  | 6,000
126  |  | 2 January 1955  | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–2 | Friendly  | 20,000
127  |  | 13 August 1955  | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–3 | Friendly  |
128  |  | 26 Dezember 1956  | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–2 | Friendly  | 12,000
129  |  | 15 September 1957  | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–3 | Oberliga Süd | 40,000
130  |  | 18 January 1958  | Grünwalder Stadion | 4–3 | Oberliga Süd | 40,000
131  |  | 20 September 1958  | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–2 | Oberliga Süd | 32,000
132  |  | 21 February 1959  | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–2 | Oberliga Süd | 35,000
133  |  | 12 April 1959  | Grünwalder Stadion | 0–0 | DFB-Pokal | 20,000
134  |  | 22 April 1959  | Grünwalder Stadion | 0–0 | DFB-Pokal | 17,000
135  |  | 27 September 1959  | Grünwalder Stadion | 4–6 | Oberliga Süd | 32,000
136  |  | 18 April 1960  | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–3 | Oberliga Süd | 15,000
137  |  | 18 April 1960  | Grünwalder Stadion | 4–1 | Friendly  | 15,000
138  |  | 18 September 1960  | Grünwalder Stadion | 0–0 | Oberliga Süd | 28,000
139  |  | 29 January 1961  | Grünwalder Stadion | 6–2 | Oberliga Süd | 25,000
140  |  | 10 September 1961  | Grünwalder Stadion | 0–4 | Oberliga Süd | 28,000
141  |  | 28 January 1962  | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–3 | Oberliga Süd | 35,000
142  |  | 8 May 1962  | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–3 | Friendly  |
143  |  | 23 September 1962  | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–1 | Oberliga Süd | 45,000
144  |  | 3 February 1963  | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–1 | Oberliga Süd | 38,000
145  |  | 25 September 1963  | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–2 | Friendly  | 7,000
146  |  | 5 August 1964  | Grünwalder Stadion | 4–2 | Friendly  |
147  |  | 14 August 1965  | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–0 | Bundesliga | 44,000
148  |  | 14 January 1966  | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–0 | Bundesliga | 40,000
149  |  | 15 October 1966  | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–0 | Bundesliga | 44,000
150  |  | 18 March 1967  | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–0 | Bundesliga | 44,000
151  |  | 1 April 1967  | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–1 | DFB-Pokal | 42,000
152  |  | 28 October 1967  | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–2 | Bundesliga | 44,000
153  |  | 30 March 1968  | Grünwalder Stadion | 3–2 | Bundesliga | 44,000
154  |  | 24 August 1968  | Grünwalder Stadion | 0–3 | Bundesliga | 44,000
155  |  | 18 January 1969  | Grünwalder Stadion | 0–2 | Bundesliga | 38,000
156  |  | 18 October 1969  | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–0 | Bundesliga | 40,500
157  |  | 7 March 1970  | Grünwalder Stadion | 2–1 | Bundesliga | 44,000
158  |  | 6 August 1971  | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–7 | Friendly  | 36,000
159  |  | 3 August 1972  | Olympiastadion | 1–3 | Ligapokal | 79,000
160  |  | 23 August 1972  | Grünwalder Stadion | 5–3 | Ligapokal | 23,000
161  |  | 25 July 1973  | Olympiastadion | 3–0 | Friendly  | 46,000
162  |  | 25 July 1975  | Olympiastadion | 3–0 | Friendly  | 57,000
163  |  | 3 August 1976  | Olympiastadion | 1–0 | Friendly  | 40,000
164  |  | 27 July 1977  | Olympiastadion | 2–1 | Friendly  | 67,000
165  |  | 12 November 1977  | Olympiastadion | 1–3 | Bundesliga | 77,000
166  |  | 8 April 1978  | Olympiastadion | 1–1 | Bundesliga | 60,300
167  |  | 19 July 1978  | Olympiastadion | 2–2 | Friendly  | 48,000
168  |  | 27 March 1979  | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–1 | Friendly  | 26,000
169  |  | 25 July 1979  | Olympiastadion | 3–0 | Friendly  | 68,000
170  |  | 17 November 1979  | Olympiastadion | 1–2 | Bundesliga | 78,000
171  |  | 10 May 1980  | Olympiastadion | 6–1 | Bundesliga | 77,500
172  |  | 22 July 1980  | Olympiastadion | 2–3 | Friendly  | 35,000
173  |  | 14 October 1980  | Olympiastadion | 1–3 | Bundesliga | 53,000
174  |  | 28 March 1981  | Olympiastadion | 1–1 | Bundesliga | 63,000
175  |  | 23 July 1981  | Olympiastadion | 1–1 | Friendly  | 25,000
176  |  | 9 August 1983  | Olympiastadion | 5–0 | Friendly  | 17,000
177  |  | 30 September 1984  | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–5 | Friendly  | 3,500
178  |  | 16 July 1991  | Olympiastadion | 0–0 | Friendly  | 40,000
179  |  | 6 April 1992  | Grünwalder Stadion | 1–4 | Friendly  | 7,000
180  |  | 21 September 1994  | Olympiastadion | 1–3 | Bundesliga | 64,000
181  |  | 25 March 1995  | Olympiastadion | 1–0 | Bundesliga | 63,000
182  |  | 2 September 1995  | Olympiastadion | 0–2 | Bundesliga | 70,800
183  |  | 2 March 1996  | Olympiastadion | 4–2 | Bundesliga | 69,000
184  |  | 1 November 1996  | Olympiastadion | 1–1 | Bundesliga | 69,000
185  |  | 4 May 1997  | Olympiastadion | 3–3 | Bundesliga | 69,000
186  |  | 1 November 1997  | Olympiastadion | 2–2 | Bundesliga | 69,900
187  |  | 11 April 1998  | Olympiastadion | 3–1 | Bundesliga | 69,000
188  |  | 7 November 1998  | Olympiastadion | 3–1 | Bundesliga | 69,000
189  |  | 25 April 1999  | Olympiastadion | 1–1 | Bundesliga | 69,000
190  |  | 27 November 1999  | Olympiastadion | 1–0 | Bundesliga | 69,000
191  |  | 15 April 2000  | Olympiastadion | 1–2 | Bundesliga | 69,000
192  |  | 21 October 2000  | Olympiastadion | 3–1 | Bundesliga | 69,000
193  |  | 17 March 2001  | Olympiastadion | 0–2 | Bundesliga | 69,000
194  |  | 13 October 2001  | Olympiastadion | 1–5 | Bundesliga | 69,000
195  |  | 9 March 2002  | Olympiastadion | 2–1 | Bundesliga | 68,000
196  |  | 10 September 2002  | Olympiastadion | 3–1 | Bundesliga | 69,000
197  |  | 15 February 2003  | Olympiastadion | 0–5 | Bundesliga | 64,000
198  |  | 22 November 2003  | Olympiastadion | 0–1 | Bundesliga | 69,000
199  |  | 25 April 2004  | Olympiastadion | 1–0 | Bundesliga | 71,000[9]
200  |  | 19 July 2004  | Olympiastadion | 1–0 | Friendly  | 10,000
201  |  | 2 June 2005  | Allianz Arena | 1–0 | Friendly  | 64,000
202  |  | 8 August 2006  | Allianz Arena | 0–3 | Friendly  |
203  |  | 26 January 2008  | Allianz Arena | 1–1 | Friendly  | 66,000
204  |  | 27 February 2008  | Allianz Arena | 1–0 | DFB-Pokal | 69,000[10]

## Overall match statistics

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Statistics Bayern – 1860 in official matches and friendly matches[11] Competition  | Bayern
wins  | Draws  | 1860
wins  | Total

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Bundesliga | 23 | 7 | 8 | 38
Oberliga Süd | 13 | 7 | 8 | 28
Bezirksliga | 7 | 7 | 6 | 20
Münchner Stadtmeisterschaft | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2
A-Klasse | 8 | 1 | 0 | 9
Gau | 4 | 2 | 1 | 7
Gauliga | 12 | 7 | 5 | 24
Gaumeisterschaft | 3 | 2 | 3 | 8
Kreisliga | 3 | 3 | 3 | 9
Ostkreisliga | 5 | 1 | 0 | 6
Süddeutsche Meisterschaft | 2 | 0 | 2 | 4
DFB-Pokal | 2 | 2 | 0 | 4
DFB-Ligapokal | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2
Münchner Pokal | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2
Süddeutscher Pokal | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2
Friendly match | 18 | 10 | 11 | 39
Total | 104 | 50 | 50 | 204

## Results involving reserve teams

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With the two senior teams playing in different leagues the meetings between the two reserve sides of the clubs, nowadays in the tier four Regionalliga Bayern, have received increased attention.[12][13] The most recent derbies have attracted almost capacity crowds of 12,500 in the Grünwalder Stadium, but also made heavy police presence necessary to deal with the rival fan fractions.[14][15][16] The games have also, on occasion, been broadcast live on television.[17]

The games of the reserve sides of the two clubs since the introduction of the Regionalligas in 1994:[18]

Season | League | Teams | Home | Away

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1997–98  | Regionalliga Süd (III)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II | 2–2  | 1–3
1998–99  | Regionalliga Süd | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II  | 3–1  | 1–0
1999–2000  | Regionalliga Süd | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II  | 1–3  | 3–4
2000–01  | Regionalliga Süd | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II  | 0–0  | 3–0
2004–05  | Regionalliga Süd | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II  | 4–2  | 1–1
2005–06  | Regionalliga Süd | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II  | 1–0  | 2–2
Bavarian Cup | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II  | 2–4
2006–07  | Regionalliga Süd | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II  | 1–1  | 1–1
2007–08  | Regionalliga Süd | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II  | 1–0  | 2–3
2011–12  | Regionalliga Süd (IV)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II  | 1–2  | 1–0
2012–13  | Regionalliga Bayern (IV)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II  | 0–1  | 2–0
2013–14  | Regionalliga Bayern | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II  | 2–0  | 1–2
2014–15  | Regionalliga Bayern | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II  | 1–0  | 3–1
2015–16  | Regionalliga Bayern | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II  | 0–0  | 0–2
2016–17  | Regionalliga Bayern | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich II  | 0–0  | 0–2

The games between first team of 1860 Munich and reserve side of Bayern Munich:

Season | League | Teams | Home | Away

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1982–83  | Bayernliga (III)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich | 0–2  | 1–1
1982–83  | DFB-Pokal | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich | 0–1
1983–84  | Bayernliga (III)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich | 0–0  | 0–2
1984–85  | Bayernliga (III)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich | 1–1  | 1–1
1985–86  | Bayernliga (III)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich | 2–2  | 0–2
1986–87  | Bayernliga (III)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich | 1–1  | 2–2
FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich (play-off for 2nd place)  | 3–0
1987–88  | Bayernliga (III)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich | 2–1  | 1–2
1988–89  | Bayernliga (III)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich | 3–3  | 2–1
1989–90  | Bayernliga (III)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich | 2–2  | 0–3
1990–91  | Bayernliga (III)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich | 0–2  | 0–1
1992–93  | Bayernliga (III)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich | 1–1  | 0–1
2017–18  | Regionalliga Bayern (IV)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich | 1–0  | 3–1
2019–20  | 3\. Liga (III)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich | 1–1  | 2–1
2020–21  | 3\. Liga (III)  | FC Bayern Munich II – TSV 1860 Munich | 0–2  | 2–2

## Crossing town

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Players who appeared for both clubs:

* Franz Krumm
* Georg Bayerer
* Peter Grosser
* Karl-Heinz Mrosko
* Franz Gerber
* Jupp Kapellmann
* Michael Hecht
* Udo Horsmann
* Ludwig Kögl
* Rainer Aigner
* Matthias Hamann
* Reiner Maurer
* Gerald Hillringhaus
* Robert Dekeyser
* Manfred Bender
* Manfred Schwabl
* Jens Jeremies
* Harald Cerny
* Dennis Grassow
* Michael Wiesinger
* Steffen Hofmann
* Berkant Göktan
* Antonio Di Salvo
* Andreas Görlitz
* Ivica Olić

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