Where Did All The People From The City Of Nod Come From

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After Cain was banished, he was marked so no one would kill him, moved to the city of Nod and married. Who were those people? Tomservo 06:17, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

The Bible talks of Adam and Eve being the first people created - it doesn't say they were the last. https://www.conservapedia.com/File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 06:21, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

So sometime in between the Fall and Cain's exile, God made more humans but the Bible didn't bother to say anything about it? What other kind of stuff could God have been up to that we don't know about? Tomservo 22:07, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

LoL - stop setting up straw man arguments. The Bible isn't G-d's diary, you know! :D 22:25, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, but if there's no explanation, should we just make one up? I mean, maybe they were demons or something. Tomservo 23:09, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

How about read it for a change. The Bible states that Adam was the father to an unknown number of sons and daughters when he died. Karajou 15:33, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

The Bible is really sketchy about the order of how things happened. Plus the conversation Cain has with God about being worried about being killed makes it pretty clear that at the time there were other people to be worried about. It's pretty clear that the multitude of children came after Seth. Tomservo 10:02, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

So what does creation science have to say? I thought it could explain what evolution couldn't. Maestro 23:03, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

1) You're in the realm of history, not science, so creation science has nothing more to say than chemistry on this particular issue.

2) Elohim, the word used to describe who created the world, is plural. It means "gods."

3) Yahweh Elohim, the word used to describe who created Adam and Eve, is singular. It means "Lord of the gods."

4) Yahweh does not say he was the only god. He says he is the mightiest God. Read God at War by Gregory Boyd for a discussion on this point.

5) Plato's Critias dialogue describes how there were multiple gods, who divided the world among themselves, and "peopled their districts:"

"In the days of old the gods had the whole earth distributed among them by allotment. There was no quarrelling; for you cannot rightly suppose that the gods did not know what was proper for each of them to have, or, knowing this, that they would seek to procure for themselves by contention that which more properly belonged to others. They all of them by just apportionment obtained what they wanted, and peopled their own districts; and when they had peopled them they tended us, their nurselings and possessions, as shepherds tend their flocks, excepting only that they did not use blows or bodily force, as shepherds do, but governed us like pilots from the stern of the vessel, which is an easy way of guiding animals, holding our souls by the rudder of persuasion according to their own pleasure;-thus did they guide all mortal creatures. Now different gods had their allotments in different places which they set in order. Hephaestus and Athene, who were brother and sister, and sprang from the same father, having a common nature, and being united also in the love of philosophy and art, both obtained as their common portion this land, which was naturally adapted for wisdom and virtue; and there they implanted brave children of the soil, and put into their minds the order of government; their names are preserved, but their actions have disappeared by reason of the destruction of those who received the tradition, and the lapse of ages. For when there were any survivors, as I have already said, they were men who dwelt in the mountains; and they were ignorant of the art of writing, and had heard only the names of the chiefs of the land, but very little about their actions. The names they were willing enough to give to their children; but the virtues and the laws of their predecessors, they knew only by obscure traditions; and as they themselves and their children lacked for many generations the necessaries of life, they directed their attention to the supply of their wants, and of them they conversed, to the neglect of events that had happened in times long past; for mythology and the enquiry into antiquity are first introduced into cities when they begin to have leisure, and when they see that the necessaries of life have already been provided, but not before. And this is reason why the names of the ancients have been preserved to us and not their actions. This I infer because Solon said that the priests in their narrative of that war mentioned most of the names which are recorded prior to the time of Theseus, such as Cecrops, and Erechtheus, and Erichthonius, and Erysichthon, and the names of the women in like manner. Moreover, since military pursuits were then common to men and women, the men of those days in accordance with the custom of the time set up a figure and image of the goddess in full armour, to be a testimony that all animals which associate together, male as well as female, may, if they please, practise in common the virtue which belongs to them without distinction of sex. "

6) It stands to reason, taking these sources as historical, that Yahweh Elohim peopled His garden, while the rest of the Elohim peopled the rest of the Earth.

7) All cultures agree that some of these gods, (the "Bene Elohim" as named in the Hebrew histories) became corrupt and interbred with human women. The ancient history of every world culture agrees on that point.

8) So the people of the world became corrupt and totally violent. Take a look at archaeological evidence of ancient cults if you doubt.

9) So Yahweh Elohim sent a flood to wipe out the wickedness. Again, every major world culture agrees on this point. Every culture in the world remembers a flood that destroyed everything, and a single family that survived.

You're in the realm of history here. So use historical sources. Ungtss 09:45, 21 June 2007 (EDT)

Oh dear, I don't have time to take your explanation apart Ungtss, but I'll just make a few points of my own.

Agreed that it is history, but creation scientists are concerned with history, so it is something that they've discussed.

The Biblical account is not always in chronological order (just as some movies are not; they often have flashbacks, etc.), and sometimes jumps large periods of time. The people in Nod were the descendants (children, grandchildren, etc.) of Adam and Eve (they must have been, as Eve was the "mother of all living" and Adam is the ultimate human ancestor of us all). These events clearly must have taken place after many years had passed, and the population had time to grow.

Philip J. Rayment 10:37, 21 June 2007 (EDT)

But in this case it is in chronological order. It's pretty clear from the Bible that Adam and Eve did not start having many children until Seth was born, and that Seth was born after Cain was exiled. Tomservo 06:53, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

I agree. It seems clear to me that Adam + his family were not the only people around at that point. That jives with the other ancient histories as well. Ungtss 08:16, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

How could that jive, then, with the description of the world before the Fall? And the Bible says God made the Heavens and the Earth. Were Japanese Gods Izanami and Izanagi helping Him out? Tomservo 08:24, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

I'd like you to explain why you think it's in chronological order, and how it's "pretty clear" that Adam and Eve didn't have many other children until after Seth. On the contrary, I'd say that as Seth was born when Adam was 130, as a replacement for Abel, Abel's murder must have happened when Adam was around 129, which is plenty of time for Adam and Eve to have lots of other children, and their children to have their own children, and them to have their own, etc., i.e. many generations. Philip J. Rayment 10:35, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

You are making this more difficult than it has to be, as Phillip has pointed out. Cain married later after he already had a number of brothers and sisters and probably nieces and nephews. When you have 900 years or so of time, a lot can happen. Learn together 08:51, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

But remember what Cain asked for when they kicked him out? He said, "But whoever finds me will kill me." Who was he worried about if there was nobody else around? It's the same problem. The Bible never says there was nobody else around. There are two reasons in the Bible itself to believe there were (Cain's marriage in Nod and his fear of being killed, and being given a mark to protect him). I can think of no reason to assume there was no one else around.Ungtss 15:28, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

I've always found that to be weak. Would it make more sense if Cain believed he was forever going to be an only child? Worse yet, he has no knowledge of what is being said, who is growing up that will hate him and hunt him, etc. As the years would go on, would his next day be his last from a blow he never even knows is coming? Learn together 20:06, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

I don't understand your argument. The KJV in 4:13 has Cain saying,

"Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, [that] every one that findeth me shall slay me." And the LORD said unto him, "Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Cain's remarks indicate some knowledge on his part that there are people out there who will kill him if they find him -- because why would he be afraid of things that didn't exist? And Yahweh's actions (protecting Cain with a mark and promising vengence on whoever harms him) indicate that there was somebody to protect Cain from, who would be dissuaded by the mark, and vengence taken upon them if they hurt him. How does this passage make any sense without other people in the world? Ungtss 20:35, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

Yes, there were "other" people: other descendants of Adam and Eve. There's no need to go speculating about others who aren't descended from Adam and Even, and to do so is contrary to the claim that Eve is the mother of all living and that we are all descended from Adam. Philip J. Rayment 10:35, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

the Bible says God made the Heavens and the Earth. Were Japanese Gods Izanami and Izanagi helping Him out?

The Bible says Elohim (gods) created the heavens and the Earth, but Yahweh Elohim (The Lord of the Gods) created Adam and Eve. The word Elohim is used throughout the first chapter, and word(s) "Yahweh Elohim" throughout the second chapter. The difference is so striking that some people think the two chapters are two different creation accounts. I just think the story is focusing in from the general to the particular -- from the gods to the Lord of the Gods. Check out the book of Jubilees and the book of Enoch for some interesting accounts of this time-period. Ungtss 15:28, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

You are aware there is a theology called Christianity, correct? As the Bible goes on, it is clear there is only one God. In the New Testament, we get the triune nature. Learn together 20:06, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

Ah, but my friend, Genesis wasn't written by Christians:). Even so, consider Paul acknowledging the existence of many gods while proclaiming loyalty to one: "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many), But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." 1 Cor 8:5-6. Also: "Among the gods [there is] none like unto thee, O Lord; neither [are there any works] like unto thy works." Ps 86:8; "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty, he judgeth among the gods.'" Psalm 82:1. "For you, O Lord, are most high over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods." 97:9; "Wilt not thou possess that which Chemosh thy god giveth thee to possess? So whomsoever the LORD our God shall drive out from before us, them will we possess." Judges 11:24. And who were the Bene Elohim who married the human women, resulting in Giants, per Genesis? They show up again in the conversations between God and Satan in Job -- check it out. Ungtss 20:34, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

We moved a bit beyond the original scope here. Some of these ideas were brought up again in Talk:Other gods if anyone wishes to see further discussion on similar concepts. Learn together 12:50, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

I believe that the genealogies were telescoped. DanH 12:57, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Why? Ungtss 12:58, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Yes, why? Especially given that the experts believe otherwise? Philip J. Rayment 10:35, 30 June 2007 (EDT)